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London Record Fair vs. Czech Pressings - miguelimarques - 11-20-2017
Over the weekend, I have visited the London Olympia Record Fair.
Out of luck (?), I have ended meeting with the manager/owner of Globus International (Karel). If it was the man himself or not, I could not tell, but we chat for more than 15 minutes (and got his personal card with a globus international logo). From the description, it seems the same man mentioned here: http://www.nirvanadiscography.com/pages/counterfeits/nevermind_czech_vinyls.html
I got a tin can Gold CD nr. 008 almost in mint condition (his personal copy). Not bad.
But let's go back to the reason of my email:
We chat about the Nevermind 7" Picture Disc, the LP Picture Disc, the Black vs. Silver Labels (official or repress?).
I am not sure on what to believe, but here are (roughly) the stories:
Globus International ended up with a contract to release Nirvana "Nevermind" just by chance. For him Nirvana was too similar to Mudhoney and Soundgarden, not being the best for business (not enough $$$). One of his friends (Joseph) was able to change his mind and he ended up signing a contract to release vinyl/cd/cassette.
Nevermind 7" Pict Disc
Apparently, this was made without his approval.
One day, when he entered the office of the plant and the 7" pict disc was on the wall.
He immediately requested it.
He also told me that it didn't have any music by Nirvana.
He stated that around 5-10 were made.
Nevermind LP Picture Disc
Sub Pop went crazy with this release. It seems they didn't want this to be released.
Karel had a meeting with Geffen explaining that the contract included cd/cassette/vinyl and this was a vinyl release.
BMG told him that this was considered a special product.
Black Labels (1992) vs. Silver Labels (1999-2001)
the plant pressed 1000 copies of each colour.
The first pressing had Black labels (green and black vinyl, plus the mentioned PD).
Later, on a 2nd pressing, someone used the wrong label colour scheme (now Silver) and the new bunch was a released as such.
I have mentioned in the end that I knew almost every die-hard Nirvana collector and everyone was convinced that the Silver edition was a Repress. He refused to accept this.
He even mentioned the splatter edition.
He also mentioned the quality of the paper used on the labels (silver). Apparently, it is impossible to replicate. [I don't have my copies with me, so it is impossible to check this - though, I only have a green LP silver labels and a black promo black labels].
He mentioned that had visited Discogs recently and everything was wrong.
[I have updated all their pages on these releases - I was almost killed by one or two trolls for messing up their peaceful lives - still under construction, missing a few details here and there]
I really don't know... maybe the 1999-2001 edition is still official and only the crazy 2006 are represses??!?! Fucking well,... more to add to our wanted list!!!!
[Anyway, The 1992 LPs editions have a manufacturing date code added to the Side A label - on the black label edition, it reads 92 1; on a sliver label edition of the green vinyl reads 92 2 - maybe (and just maybe) this is the pressing that Karel was referring to and anything else without this code belongs to the random later editions aka 1999- 2001 and 2006)]
Nevermind LP Green Vinyl 1992
This wasn't suppose to be green but turquoise. He wanted to look exactly as the front sleeve's main colour.
Unfortunately, the plant wasn't able to replicate it.
Nevermind LP Promo Black Vinyl 1992
100 were pressed
around 80 were distributed among radios, DJs, press.
20 were kept by him.
Peanuts for your thoughts
Panda-san © & ℗:
Did he say anything about WHY they made that 7" "test" pressing?
One thing to consider is if Universal/Geffen/whatever would consider the 1999/2000 reissue to be official. It may have been made by Globus, but did Globus have permission to reissue it? Did their old contract from 1992 allow that?
I guess we'll never know everything about this for sure. If you have his email on that business card, you could press some answers... Though whether he'd be interested in answering or not is uncertain, I guess.
[I am on it]
cobain4pr © & ℗:
I believe only the 1992 editions are original.
Anyway:
There are 3 different pressings, as everyone knows [matrix machine printed]:
1992 (official)
catalog nr.
21 0118-1 311
matrix:
side A - & GE 0235/A 2
side B - & GE 0236/A 1
note - the last number is variable depending on the plate used
manufacture date code on the Side A label
92 1 [variant 1]
and
92 2 [variant 2 - only found in a Silver labels green vinyl edition - matrix number without the Runout]
several different vinyl colours:
clear green
black vinyl
black promo
Picture Disc
Black center labels with silver overprint (different inner circles on the label from the 2006 edition).
1999-2001 (official/unofficial?? opinions differ, but the majority believes that this unofficial - including myself
)catalog nr.
21 0118-1 311
matrix:
side A - & GE 0235/A
side B - & GE 0236/A
several different vinyl colours:
clear green
clear green with multicolour spots (aka multicolour fireworks clear green)
clear with multicolour spots (aka multicolour fireworks clear)
clear blue/green
black vinyl
Picture Disc
Blurry reprinted cover artwork.
Silver center labels with black overprint (the same inner circles on the label as the 1992 edition, which may justify what Enrico tells us on http://www.nirvana-discography.com/pages/counterfeits/nevermind_czech_vinyls.html:
The pressing plates fell into wrong hands, and were (still are) used for illegal repressings of the most marketable records.
The repressings all have silver labels, while original Globus pressings all have black labels. Found on a collector's forum (please mail me if you're the author): Over the years, I've heard a lot of sketchy things with the Czech plants: they keep the plates and don't return them, your records start mysteriously appearing in Europe and Russia - not shitty bootlegs but exact replicas of the ones the Czech plant did for you, records never arriving, etc.
The few people i know who have gone Czech have done one or two records and swore them off as they are impossible to deal with.)
Meanwhile, I bought a Nevermind Picture Disc in 1996/7 from a record shop in Lisbon (which sold almost every Bleach Aussie and US LP editions, plus squidgy paks, Sliver 7" colour variations, etc.) and on its matrix the runout is missing (side A - & GE 0235/A and side B - & GE 0236/A). This can only mean that it was released before 1999-2001 (contrary to what has been thought).
2006 (unofficial)
catalog nr.
21 0110-1 311
matrix
side A - GE 0235
side B - GE 0236
Several different vinyl colours, usually with some more or less evident streaks:
black
grey
silver
clear marbled, clear
clear blue, blue
yellow
orange
red
clear green, green, light blue/green
(note - other colours may exist)
Blurry reprinted cover artwork.
Silver center labels with black overprint (different inner circles on the label from the 1992 & 1999 editions)
RE: London Record Fair vs. Czech Pressings - nurvanna - 11-21-2017
a very interesting meeting you had.
i own a few of these official items and a few of the unofficial items that could possibly be official now. theyre all packed away somewhere so i cant inspect them. the one thing that i do know is the quality of my fireworks covers are really low compared to some of my truly official nevermind sleeves and even lower quality than some of the unofficial nevermind sleeves as well.
RE: London Record Fair vs. Czech Pressings - miguelimarques - 11-23-2017
This will help us enormously to identify officials from counterfeits.
In fact, what you have mentioned justifies the rumours of bad quality sleeves.
As you, I have different copies but they are in different countries, which makes a comparison impossible.
The only big detail in all this might be the manufacture date code 92 1 found on side A of the black labels and 92 2 found in at least one sliver labels green vinyl. It is a very small detail, but it can make a big difference. Further, it might justify what Karel has mentioned (a second bunch pressed with sliver labels). As Panda san mentioned, probably we will never know.
If anyone else in this forum could compare the items in their collection, it would be of great help to the community. Thanks.
I have spent some time editing and creating several pages at Discogs.
If you could confirm that the info on those is correct, it would help us - I have been bully in the site (accused of this and that) by people that have none of this items. The usual.
RE: London Record Fair vs. Czech Pressings - nurvanna - 12-07-2017
i did not look well enough through my records to see my green vinyl silver label, so i dont have any info regarding 92 2.
if it matters, i did find a black vinyl silver label and a clear fireworks silver label. neither have the 92 2 on the label.
see photos...
http://s50.photobucket.com/user/giovanni_solorio/library/Mobile%20Uploads
RE: London Record Fair vs. Czech Pressings - miguelimarques - 12-08-2017
it says the album is private. I am unable to see the pictures.
Thanks anyway
RE: London Record Fair vs. Czech Pressings - nurvanna - 12-08-2017
(12-08-2017, 08:50 AM)miguelimarques Wrote: it says the album is private. I am unable to see the pictures.
Thanks anyway
sorry
i updated it to “public”